Shaikh Kabir Helminski discusses the Sufi tradition and its relation to Islam. He offers insight into the role of doctrine in Sufism as a useful means of finding coherence among Muslims of different traditions. For Helminski, contemplative practice stills the mind and moves us to a transformative perception of divine reality. Kabir Helminski is a founder and director of the Threshold Society. He has been working within the Mevlevi tradition of Sufism for about thirty years and is the author/translator of several books of Sufi poetry. He talks with Rob Gabriel, Chief Operating Officer of the Garrison Institute.